Iverson or Kobe?

The White T-mac · 08-22-2006, 03:02 PM

I pick Iverson. If you look at this:

Handles: Iverson
Driving: Iverson
3 Points: Kobe
Midrange: Iverson
Passing: Iverson
Inside scoring: Iverson
Free Throw: Kobe
Rebound: Kobe
Blocking: Kobe (they both suck at it)
Stealing: Iverson
---------------------------------------------
Total:
Allen Iverson_6
Kobe Bryant_4

AAUBall08 · 08-22-2006, 03:26 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 22 2006, 01:02 PM) [snapback]17024[/snapback]</div>

Quote:

I pick Iverson. If you look at this:

Handles: Iverson
Driving: Iverson
3 Points: Kobe
Midrange: Iverson
Passing: Iverson
Inside scoring: Iverson
Free Throw: Kobe
Rebound: Kobe
Blocking: Kobe (they both suck at it)
Stealing: Iverson
---------------------------------------------
Total:
Allen Iverson_6
Kobe Bryant_4
[/b]

Thats your opinion and I dont agree with some of those stats. Kobe is the better player.

If you look at the official stats:

Kobe
PPG 35.4
RPG 5.3
APG 4.5
SPG 1.84
BPG .38
3P% .347

Iverson
PPG 33.0
RPG 3.2
APG 7.4
SPG 1.94
BPG .14
3P% .323

Total:
Kobe 4
Iverson 2

DTP · 08-22-2006, 03:27 PM

I would take AI too I think this kid got more heart hes someone I would love to have on my team not saying that kobe doesnt.

Dezmatic247 · 08-22-2006, 03:39 PM

Well it also depends on the supporting cast. If I had other players on the team that could contribute but just needed a leader I would definately take Iverson. But if I had a team full of guys that were under-achievers and couldnt lead the team in scoring on a given night I would definately take Kobe because of his ability to take over a game. Not saying that Iverson couldnt take over a game because he could, but Kobe has the size advantage to post, shoot over guys, and get defenders into foul trouble. So my pick would all depend on the supporting cast.

KG-MVP21 · 08-22-2006, 04:28 PM

AI...luv the explosivity of that man...just 3cm taller than me

Sham · 08-22-2006, 06:29 PM

Even though Iverson is a PG, he plays like a SG, so IMO, he's equal to KB. KB is just a little more skilled in shooting, but Iverson can dish more.

KirkHinrich12 · 08-22-2006, 08:14 PM

It's hard to say. Iverson passes more than Kobe, but Kobe is bigger and he plays very good defense. He usually gets the hardest assignment.

The White T-mac · 08-22-2006, 09:12 PM

Kobe- 35 PPG, 5 APG (ROUNDED TO NEAREST WHOLE NUMBER)

Iverson- 33 PPG, 7 APG (ROUNDED)

Kobes points off assists: about 8
Iverson points off assists- about 14

Kobe: 35+8=43
Iverson: 33+14=47

47>43

Passing:
Iverson>Kobe

AAUBall08 · 08-22-2006, 09:18 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 22 2006, 07:12 PM) [snapback]17190[/snapback]</div>

Quote:

Kobe- 35 PPG, 5 APG (ROUNDED TO NEAREST WHOLE NUMBER)

Iverson- 33 PPG, 7 APG (ROUNDED)

Kobes points off assists: about 8
Iverson points off assists- about 14

Kobe: 35+8=43
Iverson: 33+14=47

47>43

Passing:
Iverson>Kobe
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Since when did points off of assists become a stat that people record?

ballorama · 08-22-2006, 09:18 PM

Do Stats always matter? No.

Kobe has worked with a team with Chris Mihm, Kwame "the bust" Brown, Lamar "I cant make a layup" Odom, and Smush Parker... with a shitty bench made this team a Playoff team almost beating the Suns who got pretty damn lucky in a couple of games.

Kobe because he can lead a team.. but Iverson only lead 1 pretty far in 2001.

Camby · 08-22-2006, 09:30 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 22 2006, 02:02 PM) [snapback]17024[/snapback]</div>

Quote:

I pick Iverson. If you look at this:

Handles: Iverson
Driving: Iverson
3 Points: Kobe
Midrange: Iverson
Passing: Iverson
Inside scoring: Iverson
Free Throw: Kobe
Rebound: Kobe
Blocking: Kobe (they both suck at it)
Stealing: Iverson
---------------------------------------------
Total:
Allen Iverson_6
Kobe Bryant_4
[/b]

Kobe Bryant by a long shot. How can you say that AI has a better midrange J than Kobe? His whole career FG% has never exceeded 45% from the floor, so AI's obviously not a deadly midrange jump shooter like Kobe. Kobe can fade away, lean in, create dribble penetrating moves, & come off screens from almost anywhere on the floor & still have well-rounded numbers in shooting from anywhere on the floor. AI might have better handles, but who's more turnover prone? AI or Kobe? Obvious everyone knows the answer to that question, so I won't even mention the answer. Most of ya'll know that I hate AI's guts. I respect his game, he has a lot of heart driving into the paint at will, & his maturity has shown, but I just can't seem to like the man for some reason.

The White T-mac · 08-22-2006, 11:05 PM

Iverson is the best driver in the NBA
he has the best handles in the NBA
he is THE BEST in the NBA

AAUBall08 · 08-22-2006, 11:11 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 22 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]17279[/snapback]</div>

Quote:

Iverson is the best driver in the NBA
he has the best handles in the NBA
he is THE BEST in the NBA
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Obviously you haven't seen anyone but Iverson play because if you had then you would not be hyping him up as much as you are doing. He is the best driver in the NBA? Come on now, he is a good driver but he is not the best. His handles are nice but I have seen better in the NBA. He may be the best at the point guard spot, but not the best player in the NBA.

The White T-mac · 08-23-2006, 12:12 AM

who has better handles?
who is a better driver?

KirkHinrich12 · 08-23-2006, 12:18 AM

Kobe is not the leader to get the Lakers to the Finals. IIRC, Shaq was the MVP of all 3 Finals the Lakers won from 2000-02. Also, when Shaq and Kobe were together in LA, there was not 1 game both of them missed. Their record in games Shaq missed was much worse than in games Kobe missed. I say Shaq was the leader.

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08-22-2006, 03:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dezmatic247 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 485	Well it also depends on the supporting cast. If I had other players on the team that could contribute but just needed a leader I would definately take Iverson. But if I had a team full of guys that were under-achievers and couldnt lead the team in scoring on a given night I would definately take Kobe because of his ability to take over a game. Not saying that Iverson couldnt take over a game because he could, but Kobe has the size advantage to post, shoot over guys, and get defenders into foul trouble. So my pick would all depend on the supporting cast. __________________ Note This is not me, I am equipped with male parts To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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ballorama Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 14	Do Stats always matter? No. Kobe has worked with a team with Chris Mihm, Kwame "the bust" Brown, Lamar "I cant make a layup" Odom, and Smush Parker... with a shitty bench made this team a Playoff team almost beating the Suns who got pretty damn lucky in a couple of games. Kobe because he can lead a team.. but Iverson only lead 1 pretty far in 2001. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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08-22-2006, 03:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
The White T-mac Star Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rockwood, Michigan Posts: 1,175	I pick Iverson. If you look at this: Handles: Iverson Driving: Iverson 3 Points: Kobe Midrange: Iverson Passing: Iverson Inside scoring: Iverson Free Throw: Kobe Rebound: Kobe Blocking: Kobe (they both suck at it) Stealing: Iverson --------------------------------------------- Total: Allen Iverson_6 Kobe Bryant_4

08-22-2006, 04:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
KG-MVP21 All Star Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Catalonia Posts: 2,503	AI...luv the explosivity of that man...just 3cm taller than me

08-22-2006, 06:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sham Rookie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orange County, Southern California Posts: 369	Even though Iverson is a PG, he plays like a SG, so IMO, he's equal to KB. KB is just a little more skilled in shooting, but Iverson can dish more.

08-22-2006, 08:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
KirkHinrich12 All Star Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,665	It's hard to say. Iverson passes more than Kobe, but Kobe is bigger and he plays very good defense. He usually gets the hardest assignment.

08-22-2006, 09:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
The White T-mac Star Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rockwood, Michigan Posts: 1,175	Kobe- 35 PPG, 5 APG (ROUNDED TO NEAREST WHOLE NUMBER) Iverson- 33 PPG, 7 APG (ROUNDED) Kobes points off assists: about 8 Iverson points off assists- about 14 Kobe: 35+8=43 Iverson: 33+14=47 47>43 Passing: Iverson>Kobe

08-22-2006, 11:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
The White T-mac Star Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rockwood, Michigan Posts: 1,175	Iverson is the best driver in the NBA he has the best handles in the NBA he is THE BEST in the NBA

08-23-2006, 12:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
The White T-mac Star Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rockwood, Michigan Posts: 1,175	who has better handles? who is a better driver?

08-23-2006, 12:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
KirkHinrich12 All Star Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,665	Kobe is not the leader to get the Lakers to the Finals. IIRC, Shaq was the MVP of all 3 Finals the Lakers won from 2000-02. Also, when Shaq and Kobe were together in LA, there was not 1 game both of them missed. Their record in games Shaq missed was much worse than in games Kobe missed. I say Shaq was the leader.