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Old 08-23-2006, 12:23 AM   #16 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KirkHinrich12 @ Aug 22 2006, 10:18 PM) [snapback]17334[/snapback]</div>
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Kobe is not the leader to get the Lakers to the Finals. IIRC, Shaq was the MVP of all 3 Finals the Lakers won from 2000-02. Also, when Shaq and Kobe were together in LA, there was not 1 game both of them missed. Their record in games Shaq missed was much worse than in games Kobe missed. I say Shaq was the leader.
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What does this have to do with the thread?
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Old 08-23-2006, 12:29 AM   #17 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AAUBall08 @ Aug 22 2006, 11:23 PM) [snapback]17342[/snapback]</div>
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What does this have to do with the thread?
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hes sayin that Kobe isnt as much of a leader as AI, cuz they sucked w/o Shaq.
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Old 08-23-2006, 12:35 AM   #18 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 22 2006, 10:29 PM) [snapback]17350[/snapback]</div>
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hes sayin that Kobe isnt as much of a leader as AI, cuz they sucked w/o Shaq.
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Old 08-23-2006, 01:23 AM   #19 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 22 2006, 10:29 PM) [snapback]17350[/snapback]</div>
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hes sayin that Kobe isnt as much of a leader as AI, cuz they sucked w/o Shaq.
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That may be true but the 76ers didn't need Shaq to suck. They sucked on their own.
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Old 08-23-2006, 01:59 AM   #20 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AAUBall08 @ Aug 22 2006, 11:23 PM) [snapback]17374[/snapback]</div>
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That may be true but the 76ers didn't need Shaq to suck. They sucked on their own.
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NO!! What I meant was that Shaq lead LA to the Finals, not Kobe. The Answer lead Philly in 2001
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Old 08-23-2006, 02:07 AM   #21 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AAUBall08 @ Aug 23 2006, 12:23 AM) [snapback]17374[/snapback]</div>
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That may be true but the 76ers didn't need Shaq to suck. They sucked on their own.
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when they went to the Finals, they didnt suck.
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Old 08-23-2006, 02:52 AM   #22 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KirkHinrich12 @ Aug 22 2006, 11:59 PM) [snapback]17385[/snapback]</div>
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NO!! What I meant was that Shaq lead LA to the Finals, not Kobe. The Answer lead Philly in 2001
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I partially agree with you. Shaq didn't lead them to every final. You have to give Kobe some credit. He led them to at least one.
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Old 08-23-2006, 03:49 AM   #23 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AAUBall08 @ Aug 23 2006, 01:52 AM) [snapback]17407[/snapback]</div>
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I partially agree with you. Shaq didn't lead them to every final. You have to give Kobe some credit. He led them to at least one.
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he obviously didnt get an MVP for it....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 23 2006, 01:49 AM) [snapback]17415[/snapback]</div>
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he obviously didnt get an MVP for it....
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Just cause he didn't get MVP doesn't mean he didn't deserve, and thats not the first time thats happened. Steve getting the MVP for the 05-06 season? Kobe deserved it (not saying that Nas didn't either).
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Old 08-23-2006, 04:34 AM   #25 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AAUBall08 @ Aug 23 2006, 03:06 AM) [snapback]17421[/snapback]</div>
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Just cause he didn't get MVP doesn't mean he didn't deserve, and thats not the first time thats happened. Steve getting the MVP for the 05-06 season? Kobe deserved it (not saying that Nas didn't either).
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Kobe wasn/isnt a team player.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The White T-Mac @ Aug 23 2006, 02:49 AM) [snapback]17415[/snapback]</div>
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he obviously didnt get an MVP for it....
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Leading an NBA team to the finals doesnt automatically determine who wins the MVP award. The player who leads the team in the finals gets the award. You could average 12ppg throughout the season and playoffs and turn around and average 35ppg in the finals and win the award.

Why is "Snaq" in the conversation anyways?
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Old 08-23-2006, 03:27 PM   #28 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AAUBall08 @ Aug 23 2006, 12:52 AM) [snapback]17407[/snapback]</div>
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I partially agree with you. Shaq didn't lead them to every final. You have to give Kobe some credit. He led them to at least one.
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Of course Shaq did not lead them by himself to every final. Kobe, Grant, Rice, etc. helped, just like Pippen, Rodman and Grant helped #23.

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Kobe wasn/isnt a team player.
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Ecxatly. He may be flashy on offense, and get the hardest assignment on defense, but he needs to pass the ball more.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(D.H.P.F.S.88 @ Aug 22 2006, 02:39 PM) [snapback]17030[/snapback]</div>
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Well it also depends on the supporting cast. If I had other players on the team that could contribute but just needed a leader I would definately take Iverson. But if I had a team full of guys that were under-achievers and couldnt lead the team in scoring on a given night I would definately take Kobe because of his ability to take over a game. Not saying that Iverson couldnt take over a game because he could, but Kobe has the size advantage to post, shoot over guys, and get defenders into foul trouble. So my pick would all depend on the supporting cast.
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I agree. A lot of you are saying that Kobe isn't the team player AI is. Well AI has a team that can make him be a team player. Kobe doesn't have as good as a team as AI. With that said I would say Kobe.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheFamily24 @ Aug 23 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]17581[/snapback]</div>
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I agree. A lot of you are saying that Kobe isn't the team player AI is. Well AI has a team that can make him be a team player. Kobe doesn't have as good as a team as AI. With that said I would say Kobe.
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Well Kobe had it w/ Shaq in LA, and his career assists numbers have always been very low
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