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Paul Peirce
Michael Redd
Kirk Hinrich
Troy Murphy
Marquis Daniels

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DTP

Yeah I agree that hes a role model but first hes not the 4th option to tell you the truth maybe hes the 2nd or 3rd. He dont get touches becauses hes not agressive enough and earlier this season from like end of november to sometimes in march he really just sucked. And then when we needed him in the Miami series in the game 6 where was he? No where to be found. I hope he gets his shit together next season because another season like this I just cant take from him no matter how good our team record is. His defense really sucked this year I mean it looked like everyone was going off for 30 or something against him. Hes supposely this great defense player but the truth is he's a great help defense player, he cant guard the Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and Lebron Jame type players one on one.

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12 Wilkins
13 Palacios
21 Duncan
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Year 1- 47-35 Loss in WCF 1-4 to Phx
Year 2- 40-42 Loss in 1st Round 1-4 to Phx

Aim-YoungDtop

bfree

James posey 1st
tayshaun prince 2nd
raja bell 3rd
zach randolph 4th
michael redd 5th

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dtowngurl_22

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DTP @ Jun 20 2006, 11:40 AM) [snapback]1883[/snapback]</div>Yes he can. He can guard those guys. IMO, he may lose focus at times, but when he's really into the game, his defense shines.

No Dtop, Tay is not the 2nd or 3rd option. Where the hell did you get that from? Hell-O, you're saying we'd go to him before we'd go to Rip or Chauncey(1st and 2nd option)? He's maybe the 3rd, at times but for the most part he's our 4th. I didn't say he didn't come through but no one else did either. I mean atleast he showed up. How are you going to just sit there and say that when the all stars are the ones who practically didn't show up at all? When he struggled, it was because of alot of one on one play and like I said it's Rip and Chauncey that put him and the rest of the team in a no win position. For example that Game 4, 11 points in the 1st quarter. After that Flip sat him down virtually the rest of the half. Then in the 3rd when we took the lead, how many times did Tay touch the ball? What ended up working for us was Rip's screens and the screen and roll or pick and pop with Chauncey and Sheed. Our 1st, 2nd and 3rd options. Then we ended up takin quick shots, Sheed and Chauncey. Those things had just as much to do with Tay struggling as anything else.

mikster100

Teyshaun
Marion
Diaw
Bell
Gordon
Deng
Hamilton

titlebound1

i dont think that Gordon is underrated...in fact i think that he is overrated...he should not have won the 6th man last year....that should have gone to ricky davis...who really is underrated...

but the most underrated player in the league is Paul Pierce

Stealth

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(titlebound1 @ Jul 1 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]3303[/snapback]</div>
Didn't Young Buck err Ricky Davis start when he was with Boston? I know he started with the Wolves. That was 2 years ago that Gordon won 6th man.

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KirkHinrich12

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(titlebound1 @ Jul 1 2006, 05:14 PM) [snapback]3303[/snapback]</div>All the Baby Bulls are underrated. Gordon should've won it. He deserved it. How many times do you see a rookie take over the 4th quarter like Ben Gordon did.

pdxblazer

Steve Blake

At least most of the others on this list are well known and potential All Stars. Blake is a pass-first PG who pushes the ball, makes excellent decisions, gets everybody involved and has the rare ability to see plays before they develop and make the pass that leads to the pass that gets the assist. Good outside shooter. He'll command a pretty penny from a contender looking for a steady backup PG when he becomes a FA after the upcoming season. Kinda like Joel Pryzbilla, I doubt Portland will be able to afford him

titlebound1

Ricky did not start two years ago with the Celts...and he had better stats than Gordon...and he was on a better team! he deserved more than Gordon...your just being a homer...and if you dont think that Tyson Chandler is overrated than that just proves my point.

Deng, Hinrich and Sweetney are all underrated...But Gordon is not.

Ricky was better than him that year...plain and simple.

Hotnuke2004

Ben Gordon won the Sixth-Man of the Year Award two years ago, during the 2004-2005 season. During that season he averaged 15.1 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 2.0 APG, 0.65 SPG, and 0.12 BPG while shooting 41.1% from the field, 40.5% from 3-point range, and 86.3% from the line in 82 games (3 Starts).

Ricky Davis, in comparison, averaged 16.0 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 3.0 APG, 1.09 SPG, and 0.33 BPG while shooting 46.2% from the field, 33.9% from 3-point range, and 81.5% from the line in 82 games (11 Starts).

I'd say Ricky Davis' numbers were superior, but there is a legitimate case to be made for Gordon as well. While Ricky Davis averaged a mere one point, a half a rebound, one assist, and a half a steal more per game than Gordon, while shooting five percentage points higher from the field, Gordon had him beat in 3-point percentage by nearly seven percentage points, and free-throw percentage by nearly five percentage points.

Considering the fact neither players' team did much in the postseason, Boston (the 3 Seed) lost in the 1st Round in 7 Games to the Indiana Pacers, and Chicago (the 4 Seed) lost in the 1st Round in 6 Games to the Washington Wizards, and the fact Davis had been in the league 6 years by then, while Gordon was a Rookie that year (I believe the only Rookie to ever win the 6th Man of the Year Award), it's understandable that he won the award. And I seem to remember him having some pretty impressive games that year that won some crucial games for Chicago.

And understand this, as Ricky Davis was formerly a Miami Heat player, and I ALWAYS root for former Heat players to do well, and wanted Davis to win the award, it's obvious my view on this is anything but biased.

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KirkHinrich12

^ Gordon is the only rookie to win it. And no player in the entire league took over the 4th quarter like he did. And titlebound, I don't consider Chandler a Baby Bull anymore.

titlebound1

i dont like it when "homerism" gets in the way of facts...i'm not trying to be mean...and what is with all this "baby bulls" stuff??? it was cute the first few times...now its kinda old. i mean there are younger teams in the league...like the celtics for example (who are going to get younger by the way once Grant and Kandi are off the roster). the bulls are better now (they wont be once the celts get AI)...but if i'm looking 3 years down the road that wont be the same story...most of the celts talent came right out of high school...so its gunna take some time to improve.

KirkHinrich12

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(titlebound1 @ Jul 3 2006, 02:47 AM) [snapback]3659[/snapback]</div>We're called the Baby Bulls b/c Paxson has re-built this team thru the draft, w/ a couple of veterens.

titlebound1

i understand that...i just think that its getting kinda old.